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Warning, there is a mini rant on what is probably an unpopular opinion under the cut.

Interviews where he says things like that MTV one, the pic with coke on the table, saying he's gay on twitter, then deleting it later, then this marriage joke? It all screams PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!! to the point where I actually just sigh when I see his tweets. I don't look forward to them anymore, and at this point, I wonder if it's something real, or if he's jerking us around every time he says anything. :(

Honestly, it took this last marriage 'joke' for me to really get this way about him; I think I may view marriage more seriously then a portion of my flist? I don't really think jokes about a person's sexuality and jokes about getting married are very funny. To me, if you *aren't* homosexual, saying you are and then taking it back later, is *very* Not Funny, and pretty far into douchebag territory. There are tons of homosexuality jokes out there, after all; why add to them? Even Pete, as much of a douche as he can be(and we all know he can when he really *wants* to!) has always said he was 'gay above the waist', he never actually claimed he was gay. Most musicians seem to claim they are bi these days, they may not be, but they are at least not making a complete joke out of it, actually 'taking it back' like that!
As for the 'marriage', as open-minded as I am, I have some pretty old-fashioned beliefs about marriage, that it should be a forever thing, and is a Serious Commitment, not to be undertaken lightly. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out, but when you go into it, it should be with the assumption that it *will* be permanent.

My parents have been married for 34 years, and at 58 and 52, are still attracted to each other enough that I *call* before I go over there on the weekends, because there are things I just Do Not Want to See my parents doing! :P

On the other hand, my aunt and her ex-husband are far closer as friends, today, then they *ever* were married, so I do know that some marriages are better off being over. And after babysitting for a couple that used this particular reasoning, DON'T get me started on those who stay together because they think it's 'better for the children'! >:( sure, it's better for your kids to hear you screaming and fighting all the time, then to have divorced parents; better for the kids to be used against one parent or the other, being told no by one parent, and then yes by the other, or vice versa, out of spite for the other parent...

It definitely shouldn't be a complete joke. I'm not really sure *why* this got to me the way it did, I've never taken marriage jokes as anything but a topic to roll my eyes at and mentally go 'how *lame* can you get!' before, but for some reason, finding out *this* was nothing but a joke really offended me.

I have *NEVER* been one to believe in fan entitlement, but there is a point when yeah, you may not owe your fans anything, but you don't treat them like they're mindless and just there for you to play with like toys, either.

Date: 2009-08-04 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm so tired of him right now, and I get people defending him because this is new and unsettling, but to me none of it is cute or lolworthy or ANYTHING. But I'm jaded to a lot of that in fandom, so I think I'm just being pissy about it.

That is so cute with your parents, though! I love hearing about marriages and love lasting that long. :)

Date: 2009-08-05 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am basically ignoring him, at this point. I haven't stopped following his twitter, but, yeah.

And yep, my parents are going to be that old couple you see out having lunch together; the embarrassingly sweet ones who are *way* too old to be unable to keep their hands off each other, lol!

Date: 2009-08-04 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't know about this gay thing, maybe I wasn't following him yet at that time or maybe I wasn't paying attention. As to that fake marriage, I did never take this as real, I knew this is a joke from the very beginning. His tweets were so mockery it couldn't be. I've never given this issue much attention anyway. This is his life, and his reputation, he can do whatever he wants to.

I wish I could have a relationship like your parents have. :D Mine aren't a good role model. :P

Date: 2009-08-05 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
oh, I was pretty sure it was a joke, too, or at least, I *hoped* it was, but I still found it lacking in humor. The gay thing really bothered people, because of the *way* he was saying it, and the way he was talking about it; either it was a very bad joke and he realized it, or a dare, or maybe he was ashamed, or something, but all of the relevant tweets were deleted the next day.

and my parents are great! embarrassing at times, but great! :)

Date: 2009-08-04 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I had no idea what was up with the marriage stuff on twitter--and honestly, the attention-grabbing just makes me care less. I'm over him, pretty much, so eh.

I'm pretty old-fashioned about marriage as well though. My parents have been married since '75 or so, and they may not have a perfectly-working relationship, but they do okay.

Date: 2009-08-05 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
my reaction to things he has been doing lately has been about the same as my reaction to one of my sisters' friends, I now realize; just an eyeroll and wait for him to finish whatever he thinks is so funny, lol.

Date: 2009-08-04 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am right where you are with him and his tweets. I'm actually to the point where I an thinking about unfollowing him because of the way he is acting.

I have some pretty old-fashioned beliefs about marriage, that it should be a forever thing, and is a Serious Commitment, not to be undertaken lightly.
I completely agree. It should definitely be a forever thing.

awesome about your parents! Mine are kind of like that. They have been together for over 30 years and are still in love with each other (but not having sex all the time, thank God considering I still live at home /o\ =P)

Date: 2009-08-05 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I haven't unfollowed him mostly because he's not worth the effort, and I hold out hope that he will improve...

and yeah, I am *very* glad I moved out, lol; I'm SO glad hearing odd noises from the kitchen and yelling "I'm LEAVING, be back in an hour!" are a thing of the past, lol!

Date: 2009-08-05 04:35 am (UTC)
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it all screams PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!! to the point where I actually just sigh when I see his tweets. I don't look forward to them anymore, and at this point, I wonder if it's something real, or if he's jerking us around every time he says anything. :(

all of this.

Date: 2009-08-05 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
it really makes me wonder, too, about the timing of the song release. :( I know Jon had said they had something big planned around that day, and when people had said this before, I just shrugged the idea off, but now, I can't help but wonder if it was really just more of this same trend.

Date: 2009-08-05 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I... do not take marriage seriously. I take the idea of committing yourself to a relationship (romantic or otherwise) to someone for the rest of your life and making vows to that effect seriously. I categorically do not take marriage as an institution of the state seriously. Because it disenfranchises many, many people. And I'm not just talking about LGBT marriage. I'm talking about the rights denied to SINGLE people because they are not married. I'm talking about single mothers who are basically forced into marrying the father of their children because otherwise they won't receive the help they need to take care of their children. I'm talking about the many people who marry their significant others or even people they're not romantically attached to in order to get health insurance. Our culture privileges the married to an extreme degree that is neither helpful nor healthy.

Basically, I think marriage needs to be deconstructed and the rights associated with it available to anyone who wants them. Binding, family-creating contracts should not be limited to romance. If I want to sponsor a person to get a green card, I should be able to choose whomever I want to bestow that honor on without having to marry them. If I want my best friend of many years to be at my deathbed, regardless of romantic attachment, I should have that ability. If I want to share my good health insurance benefits with a friend, I should be able to. Single people should not feel pressure to marry just so they can have access to some of the basic rights given to the married.

Heh. Sorry for the rant. If people make vows to someone saying they will stick with them forever and do it because they genuinely want to and love that person, then yes, I take that very seriously. Ryan seems to have proven that he doesn't take anything at all seriously.

Date: 2009-08-05 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
heh, please *never* appologise for sharing your opinions in my journal! I *like* when people say/write things that make me think, and this definetly did!

I have come to the decision it's not so much *marriage* I take seriously, as it is, well, giving your word about something. Like, the thing that *makes* me take marriage seriously is the fact that it is basically a promise you give to someone. *that* is the part that matters to me, not what the government says about it.
Oh, I think my state is insanely stupid(yep, I'm in California. /o\) for the crap it has pulled, and I understand your point about how stupid laws based around marriage are, but the part that matters to me is that promise.

I take promises, and well, the old fashioned 'word of honor' type stuff seriously; things like 'if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right', 'if you're doing a job, it must be worth doing, so put as much effort into it as if you were getting rich off it', 'you're only as good as your word', 'treat people the way you want to be treated, in small things as much as in big ones', and 'never, EVER hurt, or stand by and let someone else hurt, a defenseless creature, a child, or anyone else.' are the backbone of my sense of 'self'.

Even though I work in fast food, from cleaning to customer service, I'm doing it the best I can, and even if no one *else* sees I'm doing my best, *I* know I am, and that's what matters! I stand up for my co-workers, and defend them from small-minded, prejudiced 'guests', return dogs who keep getting out of yards on busy streets, over and over until the fence is fixed, simply because my dog or not, it doesn't deserve to get hit just because it's owner is too lazy to fix the fence, and so on...


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